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Lee Cloths – Getting a Good Night’s Sleep

Lee cloths seem like an easy project…a rectangle and some grommets right?  But wait,  how will the lee cloth really work to provide a restful spot during an overnight voyage?  Will it be strong enough and positioned to hold the person off watch as desired?  This blog post will give ideas on what to consider when planning an off watch sleeping berth and construction ideas.

Magnolia inherited a set of very nice canvas lee cloths.  The corners have webbing reinforcements to strengthen them as well as heavy rings as attachment points.  There is webbing on each side edge and down the middle for some stability.  While I didn’t make these, we had to reinstall the starboard settee one after the removal of a fuel tank located under the starboard settee.  The starboard lee cloth is attached in place with screws through small grommets to the base of the settee/the wood cover over the tank.  It is stored right under the settee cushion with lines ready to go.

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The port side lee cloth is removable with snaps to get to the storage cubbies underneath.  It is stored in a large zipper top bag with a dryer sheet in a cubbie behind the settee back.

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There are some primary considerations in your planning and design stage.  How will you attach the lee cloth? Velcro? Snaps? Screws?  Bolt rope track?  To what will you attach the line or webbing to hold it up?  Pad eyes? Overhead hand holds?  Take a look at any possible existing attachment points.  If you don’t have any, what and where can you add them?  What fabric will you use?  Canvas? Phifertex mesh?  Sail cloth?  Where do you want to attach the line and through what – rings or webbing?  What size covering works for comfort and getting in and out?  Do you want a pocket for eyeglasses or a red lens flashlight, and if so, on the inside or outside?

To hold up the top of the lee cloth, we use pad eye rings installed above the settee.  I’ve set up line on each lee cloth with clips or carabiners so that they are set to use.  When you are tired and getting off watch, just clip the lines to the pad eyes and climb in.

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Here are several articles, books, and blogs that show how to make lee cloths:

Good Old Boat – November/December 2013  Recommends a small quick release tackle at one end to make it easier to adjust the top lines or get in and out.

Canvas for Cruisers – Julie Gifford’s book gives good, practical construction steps.

Morgan’s Cloud – http://www.morganscloud.com/2011/03/20/the-perfect-seaberth-2/ What goes into a good sea berth?

Cat’s Paw IV – http://annoeboat.blogspot.com/2006/05/lee-cloths.html   They used sail cloth.

Wind Traveler – http://www.windtraveler.net/2013/05/snug-as-bug-in-alee-cloth.html.   Brittany tackles a lee cloth and adds a pocket for miscellaneous items.

Stella Blue – http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/canvas/leecloths/ She adds zippers to aid getting in and out.

Adagio – http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv-adagio/AboutAdagio.html   Check out this different design shape for a lee cloth.

Tenaya – http://www.tenayatravels.com/Equipment%20Comments%202.html Clever idea to make a lee cloth for the v berth to add more space and comfort.

Honey Rider – http://wildcatsailorgirl.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html   Lee cloth made of mesh with a detachable eye-glass holder.

Cantare – http://sailingcantare.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html Interesting and unique mounting system.

Rebel Heart – http://rebelheart.squarespace.com/charlottes-blog/2011/4/7/baby-proofing-the-boat-custom-lee-cloth-part-one.html   Charlotte makes a lee cloth for the baby.

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Fascinating there seem to be as many approaches to lee cloths as there are boats! Thanks for the ideas. Our latest saloon one is different again – attached underneath the cushions using lines tied to three eyelets in the leecloth and to corresponding padeyes fixed on the wood (one at each corner and one in the middle. This enables us to move it easily for access to the lockers underneath the bunk. The other side is only fastened at either end via a line running through the length of the “top” hem through pad eyes situated behind the top of the cushions quite wide apart then tied back to eyelets in the canvas as the saloon seating is curved. Yet to be tested in heavy weather it seems quite comfy. In our aft cabin the lee cloth is actually a lee board of solid teak running the full length of the bunk. Known as the “passion killer” the board enables 2 people sleep in comfort beating to windward without landing on top of each other! One final idea from another boat I used to sail on – some bench sofas have a fiddle on the outer edge to stop the cushion sliding off which is jolly uncomfortable if you end up lying on it in the lee cloth – simply take the back cushion or deck cushions and slot them in along the lee cloth to avoid the pain.

Thanks for the additional ideas!

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Seaberths Examined

The design of offshore production-built sailboats often overlooks a crucial element in crew comfort and safety—the seaberth. so what qualifies as a proper seaberth.

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Whether you’re crossing the Gulf Stream to Bermuda or the Bahamas, racing to Halifax or Hawaii, or just cruising coastal waters, having proper sea-berths for the off-watch crew is an often neglected, yet vitally important element of a good offshore boat. Why are good seaberths a shipboard necessity? Anytime a vessel is underway for more than a few hours, a rested skipper and crew are essential for the safe operation of the boat.

Even in this day of sophisticated electronic navigation, boats are occasionally lost while entering an unfamiliar port at night or in foul weather. Often a major factor contributing to dire mishaps like these is the lack of seaberths on board, which can lead to an exhausted and mistake-prone crew that’s yearning to get ashore as soon as possible. A well-designed seaberth not only ensures comfort for its occupant during time afloat, but also provides the security necessary to minimize the possibility of injury from being launched across the cabin in the case of a knockdown, broach, or other drastic change in course.

We are beyond the age of Lord Nelson’s navy when hundreds of sailors aboard a man-of-war slept in hammocks slung a regulation 18″ apart. For generations of sailors, hammocks were the seaberth of choice. These simple devices maximized space, stayed comfortably level as Jack Tar gently swung to the roll of the ship, were easy to enter and exit, and did double duty when stacked as protection against incoming cannon balls.

These days, unless you’re single or double-handing, in which case one seaberth may be sufficient, half the number of crew, plus one, is the minimum number of proper seaberths PS recommends.

An extra seaberth allows non-watchstanding guests or seasick crew to be comfortable, yet out of harm’s way while the boat is being worked. If unoccupied, an extra seaberth provides secure stowage for duffles, laptops, or other sensitive items. To prevent frustration and seasickness, sea-berths should be assigned, located, and prepared in advance of setting sail, especially at night or during heavy weather when a tired crew just wants to undress and fall into a welcoming bunk, rather than face the chore of emptying and making up the berth.

What makes a proper seaberth? Despite a broker’s alluring words or a glossy advertisement featuring flowers and hors d’oeuvres in a seductive interior, a seaberth is not just a salty name for a bunk cushion secured by fiddles. Location, dimensions, and detailing all are important elements as a functional seaberth is more than the sum of its parts. Size, shape, lighting, ventilation, noise, cushions, ease of access, lee cloth/bunkboard functionality, view of navigational instruments, even the quantity of pillows are the more important considerations when designing and fitting a seaberth.

Location, Location, Location The best location for seaberths can be a lively topic of discussion. Generally, a good seaberth is situated aft of the mast, where the pitching motion is least. Although a forward cabin may occasionally be an excellent place to sleep, particularly while motoring in flat water or sailing downwind in consistent breezes, a forward cabin is not a good location for a seaberth due to the increased motion underway, the noise of waves drumming against the flat panels of the bow, the triangular shape of the V-berth, and the difficulty of providing leak-free ventilation.

Because the motion of a boat is less appreciable lower in the hull, a good cruising seaberth is best located lower, rather than higher in the interior. Although rarely acceptable on a racing boat, sleeping on the leeward side provides an excellent compromise of reduced pitch, roll, and noise, as a leeward bunk is low in the boat and gravity becomes an ally to assist in keeping one securely in the bunk.

Additionally, the lullaby of water swishing along the lee rail can sooth one to sleep. In an emergency, a comfortable temporary seaberth can often be improvised by laying a bunk cushion on the cabin sole (the lowest habitable location on most boats,) and using sail bags and duffles as cushioning.

Ideally, a seaberth should be located parallel to the centerline of the boat. If not, as the boat heels, the bunk’s lengthwise axis will change from horizontal. In such a case, the more the boat heels, the less effective the bunk becomes, as sleeping with your feet higher than your head, (or vice versa), may cause vertigo or other unpleasant effects. Even a few inches of bunk asymmetry relative to the centerline can make a big difference. This rules out the use of athwartships (crosswise) berths as a seaberth while underway.

A proper seaberth is at least 76″ in length, 22″ to 28″ wide along its entire length, and a minimum of 24″ from the top of the bunk cushion to the overhead. Seaberths of these approximate dimensions provide a snug fit for security, yet allow enough volume for pillows, blankets, clothing, and the taller or wider-bodied crewmember. Any narrower or shallower, and the seaberth begins to assume the ambiance of a coffin with the comfort of a torpedo tube. Any wider, and the occupant can roll uncomfortably from side to side as the boat rolls, pitches, or yaws. Extra wide or double berths can effectively be converted into two seaberths using lee cloths and/or removable bunk boards.

Except for the proximity to the engine room, the time tested aft “quarter berth,” as found on a Cal 40 and many other mature designs, is often the quintessential seaberth. Even more modern designs such as the Catalina 42 can benefit from retrofitted seaberths.

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Another excellent seaberth is a main cabin settee. With a large number of crew, settees sometimes suffer from traffic and disruption due to cabin lights, galley and nav station noise, and sunlight from the cabin ports and hatches. But with the use of lee cloths, window and hatch curtains, eye shades, and foam ear plugs, most such disruption can be minimized for those sailors using a settee as a seaberth.

The easiest to install, and perhaps the most comfortable seaberth is the pipe berth. Pipe berths have been around for generations, and remain the seaberth of choice on race boats where windward side crew weight is paramount.

Pipe berths are usually rectangular aluminum or carbon fiber tubular frames that are hinged to the hull, and are lightweight, strong, and can be racked two, or even three high. Even a frame constructed of PVC plumbing pipe, or a hinged plywood board with a cushion can make an inexpensive yet comfortable pipe berth.

Pipe berths offer the advantage of being easily retrofitted in many areas aboard even the smallest boats. Lowered to a near vertical position, a pipe berth can also double as a back rest for a lower bunk or settee. Surprisingly, the biggest advantage of pipe berths is their comfort, as they can be lowered for access, then leveled for sleeping using the 4:1 purchase system.

Another excellent seaberth is the pilot berth, located above and outboard of settees on some boats. In fact, the best seaberth on a boat like the Santa Cruz 50 or 52 is the main cabin pilot berth, as it is out of the way of traffic and noise.

But on many designs, the pilot berth is not an option, as this space is dedicated to book shelves, entertainment consoles, and even water ballasting tanks. Unless well designed and constructed early on, pilot berths are often too narrow, uncomfortably shaped, or compromised by the boat’s frames, stringers, chain plates, or other hull structures.

For shorthanded sailing, a “wet berth” is a vital asset to boathandling and safety. A wet berth is a secure rest area protected from inclement weather where the skipper or watch stander can rest (often in foulies), immediately available to lookout, steer, trim, or perform other boat handling responsibilities. A wet berth might be a cushion placed on the floor of the cockpit, in the lee of a dodger, or below in a pilot house where the navigation instruments are readily visible. Ideally, a wet berth is below out of the elements, adjacent to the companionway, with a good view of the compass, radar, depth sounder, and chart plotter, and with the autopilot and auxiliary engine controls also readily at hand.

Lee Cloths Every good seaberth will benefit from fine-tuning to provide comfort. Except for pipe berths, a rectangular lee cloth is the primary means of securing an occupant in a seaberth. Although a satisfactory lee cloth can be made from old sail cloth, the best lee cloths are sewn using breathable acrylic canvas such as Sunbrella™.

Where possible, lee cloths should extend along the full length of the bunk and be secured in a vertical plane, or angled slightly inward toward the sleeper. Unfortunately, commercially available lee cloths, such as those available at West Marine, are too short (45″) to restrain both head and feet from hanging out of the seaberth. In addition, many commercially available lee cloths are made of less than substantial vinyl plastic mesh, which may give an unpleasant feeling to bare skin and rip at inopportune moments. Consequently, most good lee cloths are custom-made.

As noted, a lee cloth should be as long as possible, and rise at least 12″ above the top of the bunk cushion. The bottom edge of the lee cloth can be secured with either a batten and screws, or through bolted at 6″ centers to the bunk top. An even better method of securing a lee cloth is a bolt rope that is sewn to the bottom edge of the cloth and then inserted in a bolt-rope track, (plastic or aluminum, available from most canvas makers), which is screwed to the bunk top. This allows for easy removal of the lee cloth for washing.

If the bunk cushion is double wide and lee cloth placement is difficult, bunk boards can also be used in lieu of lee cloths. In the situation where neither a bunk board nor a lee cloth is an option, a low-stretch line can be inserted and sewn along the bottom edge of the lee cloth, and tautly secured to points at the head and foot of the bunk cushion, so that the bottom of the lee cloth rests along the top of the bunk cushion. When not in use, lee cloths can be laid flat and tucked out of the way under the bunk cushion.

Lee cloths are often subjected to considerable abuse and side force, so the top edge and corners of the lee cloth need reinforcing. The grommets on the upper corners should be laced taut with 1/4″ line on an upward-sloping 45-degree angle to securely anchored padeyes or the equivalent. And the two mid grommets need to be tensioned vertically to overhead padeyes. Even better, they can be run over an overhead handrail. The handrail will also assist the berth occupant in recovering from the horizontal position.

Tensioning lee cloth lines is usually a haphazard affair. The best adjustable knot is the rolling hitch, which can be slid along the support line to achieve proper tension. A better solution is a friction plate that can be fashioned from a simple 2″ x 4″ x 3/16″ rectangle of wood, or a dowel, with two holes drilled into it that provide an easily adjusted purchase.

Seaberth Accessories Next to location and lee cloths, ventilation is the most important consideration for a good seaberth. Unfortunately, ventilation from nearby opening ports often admits water as well as air. An excellent alternative is the use of an electric fan. PS recommends that sea berths be ventilated with a fan mounted at the head of the bunk where possible. Such a fan should be quiet, adjustable, miserly on power consumption, and produce no radio interference.

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Lighting for a seaberth is available in many options. One good option that helps maintain night vision is the use of a red-white combination light. Even having a battery powered headlamp available in each seaberth is sufficient.

Another aid for a good seaberth is the use of foam earplugs. While they may not be for everyone, they can dampen annoying sounds and muffle engine and radio noise to an acceptable level. Of course a skipper or navigator must always sleep with one ear open, and leading a “signal line” from the seaberth to the helm can facilitate this awareness. This is particularly useful when sailing shorthanded, or with inexperienced crew.

As experienced distance racers know, when possible, crew should sleep in seaberths with their feet forward. This practice lessens the chance of head or neck injury in the event of unanticipated rapid deceleration, as in the case of a collision with a whale, or when being tossed about by larger than average waves. If venturing into areas of potentially rugged upwind conditions such as the Baja Bash, crossing Hawaiian Island channels, or the Windward Passage, it is also recommended to consider installing seat belts across each seaberth as a measure to prevent airborne crew.

Such a measure would have been appreciated earlier this winter when a crewmember aboard one of the boats competing in the Global Challenge suffered a dislocated hip and bone fragmentation after he was thrown from his berth when the boat became airborne following a hit by a particularly large wave while en route from Australia to South Africa.

Safety is paramount in this event, and the 72-foot vessels competing have purposely designed seaberths for all off-watch crew. Granted, relatively few of us will ever voyage through this patch of ocean aboard our boats, but the point is clear—offshore and ocean sailing vessels should have good, properly equipped seaberths. And given the growing popularity of cruiser-friendly rallies and races—the ARC, the Caribbean 1500, the Newport-Ensenada Race, and the Baja Ha-ha among them—having a sufficient number of properly equipped seaberths on board shouldn’t be regarded as optional.

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Really REALLY good article; and I am relieved as well as amused to discover that the saloon berths in my own little cruising boat fit all of Darrell’s specifications to a tee. Thanks for the enlightenment and confirmation!

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Crew underway need to wake up where they laid down, sounds reasonable right? Too often berths on boats are wide, or on the high side, or as is a recent trend are large beds with half open sides. Twenty-two inch wide bunks with a board of wood along the side just aren’t popular.

Even a double bed in the boat needs to be divided. It might appear cozy to share however on a sloping bed gravity will soon have one person being crushed. Ideally the mattress will be split in two and cloth divider can be erected to divide the space.

A handy tip it so have pockets sewn into the lee cloth, then a favourite magazine or book can be nearby. This Sailrite video shows a good example, wrt their example, I like to see the securing points much stronger. I’ve slept in conditions where the boat was occasionally pinned over while hove to, and that is not the time for a cloth to break on you.

When making your own, the two weak points are attaching the bottom and top. I’ve lots count how many lee cloths on boats I delivered were inadequate for real passages, enough so that I often slept on the sole to avoid breaking the lee cloth. My preferred way for attaching the bottom, is to slide in a 3/4 piece of aluminum into the hem and fasten through that several pan head screws with washers, or even bolt it through the wood if acceptable.

To save fabric people often make the lee cloth 4 or so feet long, I feel they should be full length of the bunk, or at least full length from the head to the shins of an adult, it really is very annoying to have your pillow fall down half way through sleeping.

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This project made it onto the list because of my interest in doing overnight passages, but it has been useful for so much more! First a description: this one is made out of Phifertek, a woven mesh, vinyl coated fabric that I got from Sailrite (just like always, I’m not getting anything for mentioning these names, and my only relationship with them is being a customer). This stuff is really strong, not prone to mold, and allows for ventilation if the weather is hot. It’s the same material that those blue mesh organizer bags are made out of, that come from the boat catalogs. It’s smelly when it’s new, but after it has sat around for a while it’s just fine.

Suzanne and I got out the sewing machine, and between the two of us put this together. It has a double folded hem along the bottom edge for fastening to the wooden surface of the berth, which we later attached using wood screws and trim washers, spaced about 5 inches apart. The vertical edges on each end of the leecloth are covered with strips of sunbrella bias tape (that’s what those folded strips are called – they’re actually not tape with stickum, but something you sew on). This was easier and less bulky than folding and sewing hems, and works just as well for dealing with the scratchy edge of the Phifertek, as well as adding a little bit of strength, and preventing stretching at the edges. Bias tape is also more flexible than folded hems would have been, which has turned out to be really nice when it comes to folding the leecloth away when not in use.

The top edge of the leecloth was folded over once for a hem, folded again with a deep fold to double the thickness in the top 6 inches of the fabric, and stitched. After this is when the bias tape went onto the vertical edges of the whole piece. Then the top edge was folded and stitched yet again, with two rows of zigzag stitching, to form a long, open-ended pocket that is two layers thick. The two layers of the pocket are for added strength, and the bias tape keeps things from being scratchy and ensures that the line that holds the whole business when in use doesn’t get put through the wrong layer of the pocket.

On the boat, we through-bolted one of those hefty, oblong, two-fastener bronze pad eyes up forward and attached a sturdy line with a carabiner. That line runs through the pocket on the top edge of the leecloth, with a good bit of extra tail. In use, the leecloth is unrolled and stretched taut with that line, and the line is tied off on the vertical pole near the head end of my berth. One could just as well use another pad eye, but the pole that we put in for a handhold and for shoulder-bracing when lying down turned out to be perfect in this particular situation. A couple of turns around the pole and then two half hitches, with the second one slipped, makes a sturdy connection that’s still easy to get out of quickly.

Originally, I did indeed use this setup for overnights at sea. It was quite good just as it was for preventing a fall, and then it finally occurred to me to put a firm, fiberfill pillow (which I fortunately happened to have on the boat) at my hips, against the leecloth, and the whole thing got really, really comfortable. At sea on a port tack, which means one is resting against the leecloth, it works like a hammock, feeling quite sturdy and reliable.

A while after that initial use, I was anchored somewhere with a good bit of rolling – I can’t remember if it was from regular waves or boat wakes – and when it was time to go to sleep I thought of putting up the leecloth, just for extra insurance. What a treat! It’s amazing how much better I slept knowing that I didn’t have to stay alert for an extra big wave. It has now become routine that if there are any kind of waves at anchor, when it’s time to sleep up goes the leecloth.

These days fall is coming along, and occasionally the nights have been pretty chilly – 40° outside, and down to about 50 inside the boat by just before dawn. One of those chillier nights coincided with waves and the leecloth, and I was surprised to find how much warmer I was. I have a variety of strategies for keeping warm, which I’ll write about separately, but it was a treat to find that just using the leecloth, with that big pillow alongside, significantly improved things. For one thing, the down sleeping bag that I use more like a comforter on top of everything else doesn’t fall off the berth! And assorted covers are held more snugly. It’s made a noticeable difference, and other things that I do to keep warm have not been as necessary.

As a further bonus, with a little stray fleece clothing added alongside the bottom of the leecloth for padding, my berth is just enough wider to completely support both shoulders and arms without fussing to get into the exact perfect spot. Heavenly. At this rate, I’m going to start sleeping with the leecloth even when it’s flat calm!

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08-05-2011, 15:42  
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The PO had had the lee cloth attached to the inner vertical surface of the lip of that keeps the cushion on the berth. What I do not like about that is that when the cloth is not in use, then folding it down to stow under the cushion will leave two thicknesses of cloth between the cushion's edge, and the lip. (The two thicknesses being: 1) the part that is attached to the lip, and 2) the part that is folded down against that, so that the rest can then lie under the cushion.)

I would rather that the lee cloth be attached down on to the bunk , not the lip. It would be held on by short but wide screws, thru big washers, thru the grommets in these West ready-made lee cloths. Lets call the first 1.5" of width of the lee cloth the "grommet-row." When not in use, the bulk of the cloth will fold outward over the grommet row, and stow under the cushion. When in use, the upward pull of the cloth (other than the grommet row) is at a right angle to the grommet row and the bunk.

This does put upward pull on the screws, whereby the PO's method put lateral pull on them. My guess is that lateral is stronger, but isn't my method strong enough?

And another question. The bunk is 6.5 feet long. The lee cloth is 5 feet long. Should I put the bulk of the non-clothed-part at the foot of the berth? It would seem to me that you want good lateral support for the sleeper's head/pillow, no? Except for a little peep/air space? Maybe leave 6" un-clothed at the , and a 12" at the foot.

As you can probably tell, I have yet to sleep in a lee-clothed bunk "in anger." We have just used our starboard side pseudo-double berth underway, which, in the double mode, abuts the folded down table leaf, which makes for a serious lee restraint.

Dean
08-05-2011, 16:00  
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08-05-2011, 16:01  
- not the lip)....except rather than screws and washers through the lee cloth I fixed the edge down with a length of (and screwed through that to the bunk - making a lee cloth sandwich).

Probably a bit overkill - but I didn't fancy ever repairing a torn lee cloth fixing.
08-05-2011, 16:03  
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08-05-2011, 21:41  
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09-05-2011, 04:50  
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I'm a big guy and the key issue is strength. The next is the ability to get out fast.

Ideally the cloth should be fixed to the rear of the bunk, ie passes under the whole cushion. So that your weight helps to secure it. The fitting to the ceiling or whatever needs to very strong and rigid ( no bungies) Toy lee cloths defeats the whole purpose. Make sure they are of adequate height so that you can never fall out ( even in a knock down)

The outer trim of a typical bunk is no where near strong enough in my experience. Even the plywood base is suspicious especially if it is removable.

I like to leave as much of my legs free so that I can slide out. In fact my ideal cloth would leave a gap from my waist down to my feet as this allows me to stick my knees out which I like to do, yet my ankles are held in by the cloth.

On a rolly downwinder the key thing is to prevent body movement as I find that's the key thing for me. So stuff the berth with so you're wedged between them and the Lee cloths. In one I just used 2" webbing to "strap" me to the berth. It rendered me immobile. ( however the dreams got very very wierd!!!).

Dave
16-05-2011, 01:21  


I suggest you also follow the link to her blog, as there are some very good photos as well. Not just for babies!
16-05-2011, 05:20  
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. The lower attachment points were nylon webbing under the settee using grommets and large washers and screwed into the plywood structure. Very sturdy. They also had a snap-on mesh bag to stow watch .

You might be able to rig up straps like that for yours.
   

 
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Has anybody used a open webbing or netting type material lee cloths for warmer climates? Tapered opening at head and feet. Best support over head or fore and aft. Thanks Wayne  

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Some people do use phiphertex  

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Sounds very uncomfortable to me, especially if one is sleeping in shorts and no top. I've always used real canvas and underway it is a good combination of comfortable and cool. Don't make it complicated to get out of, or a call for all hands on deck could be delayed a bit.  

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Unless it was really taut, webbing or netting might tend to stretch too much and make the sleeper feel insecure. It could also leave marks or cut circulation.  

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Our boat came with "phifertex" mesh fabric for both settee lee cloth's. Wonderful stuff, and the mesh does not hurt humans. It does not harbor mold mold, and slightly increases the air space under the cushions when it's flat on the settee tops. You will need a heavy duty machine to sew the cloth margin all around, and ours has pressed in grommets on the corners. The PO did a good job, or hired a good shop to do the sewing. Picture here: O34 - Lee Cloth "Quick Connect"  

FastOlson, Thanks for your input. I found a article about using Phifertex from about 20 years ago. It said in the tropics you need all the air circulation you can get if you want to sleep. Glad to hear all the good thing about it. Will definitely try it and for cold climate throwing a blanket over it to add extra warmth would be simple enough. I like your snap shackles not sure where you found them? may go with plastic quick release buckles. Only question now is overhead securing or forward and aft to bulkheads , or both. definitely need to be able to drop one end quick to get out quick. Also a pocket on the out side for clothes or personal stuff, Thanks for everybody's input.  

Waybad said: I like your snap shackles not sure where you found them? may go with plastic quick release buckles. Click to expand

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Trampoline cloth would be perfect. Let’s air through, is a little stiff and has some privacy. I use it a lot for outside projects that require air movement, water drainage but sun protection. I make a lot of SCUBA pouches and bags with it. It’s cheap and sews easy. The only downside is you have to bind it as it can fleet pokey.  

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, Vol 2, pg 318, 1978 (don't know how to upload a scan of his diagram).  Simply, a canvas cloth, fastened full-length beneath to the underside of a settee, 20 in. above the cushions, and well-secured along the top.  Would stow beneath the cushions when my driving is more satisfactory.

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, Vol 2, pg 318, 1978 (don't know how to upload a scan of his diagram).  Simply, a canvas cloth, fastened full-length beneath to the underside of a settee, 20 in. above the cushions, and well-secured along the top.  Would stow beneath the cushions when my driving is more satisfactory.

 

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I plan to fit some lee cloths to my new boat. Does anyone know of a good design and/or supplier? Based on past experience two things I want to avoid are: * Trad canvas material that will become damp and manky over time. * The need to tie a knot each time I climb into an uphill bunk. I hope some type of mini v shaped jamming pulley could be used to tension the cloth once the occupant is insitu?  

The control or fitting will depend on your boat but with regards to the material, i use the acrylic used for dodgers and spray hoods. Some people use tody's sail cloths. Regards. Peter.  

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A lee cloth that folds away is ideal on a bunk that doubles as a settee. It can be just tucked under the matress. (particularly for small boats) I would use any material to hand as loads are not great. A lee cloth does not have to be full length to be usefull. if it supports the torso then the head and legs area can be left uncovered.) depending on how much heel you expect) This means that you can climb in with the cloths in place. If you are going full size you would need to be able to attach a line to points overhead then tighten up. There are plenty of pulleys and cleats made for dinghies available. I suggest you get outr the sewing machine find some cloth and start experimenting until you evolve a design to suit you and your sailing style. suggest you try screwing the bottom ijn many places under the mattress and sew loops of cloth into the top edge for rope attachement. They certainly can make resting more comfortable on a heeled yacht especially for children. olewill  

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I agree William, My lee cloths are designed to fit under the bunks and they are not the full length of the berth. they are also angled rather than at 90 degrees to the bunk so that the top edge is actually much smaller than the bottom edge which is securely fastened to the berth under the cushion. I use brass eyelets and 3/8 3 strand line which I slice on to and the line attaches to stainless fittings on the bulkhead. It works for me and it's simple.l Regards. peter.  

Don't use cloth in my opinion as it is best to have something that allows air circulation and breathing. It can go the full length of the bunk for that reason. One can get a nice white synthetic (eg nylon, polyester) "netting" which is not made of knotted stringy stuff, but rather is soft, knitted and knotless with the holes being roundish, maybe 20-25 mm dia (so not square like a fishing net) - generally called solid netting and looks along these lines http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50071114/Solid_Netting.jpg but with some types having more mesh to hole if that is preferred. Also, has the advantage that you can roll against it and it supports you like cloth does ie doesn't leave red marks as if you had been hit in the face with a tennis racket as knotted netting does. I don't know who would stock it in the UK but should be widely available from any place warehousing industrial fabrics and netting. If there is a bulkhead or other structure at each end of the bunk then if the netting lee cloth is made up with a hem all around it of polyester fabric eg sailcloth, then on the two upper corners white polyester tape can be sewn on with a loop sewn into it and two solid hooks mounted on the bulkhead (usually have to have those made). The top of the lee cloth is made up to length so that if you hook one end up the other can be stretched out tight and hooked over the other hook - if that makes sense. Should be enough give to get the 1/2 cm or so stretch to do so. Alternatively you can go with ropes, pulleys, cleats, lanyards or whatever complication suits you. The bottom of the cloth can be under a batten screwed along the flat surface of the horizontal front edge of the bunk surface under the cushion. John  

Thoughts on Lee cloths - another approach, and further reflections I had some made using dodger cloth with an aluminium pole as the upper side, rather than a hem with ropes. The pole slips into U shaped blocks of wood on the bulkheads at each end of the berth. (Actually the outboard leg of the U needs to be longer than the inboard leg, for this to work.) This was a result of reading the Fastnet enquiry report, where it is mentioned that the celebrated Contessa 32 that finished the race, "Assent", had this type of leecloth, and the authors of the report comment favourably on it. I have to report, after several years, that this is not such a brilliant system, after all... If the mattress is a regular rectangle, you can shove the leecloth under the mattress and "lose" the pole to the back when you don't want it, if the height of the leecloth is not less than the width of the mattress. If the mattress is an odd shape this will not work. It is not very easy to drop the pole in place when the berth is to windward. When you undo it, from windward, it drops out at once and completely and you have to be prepared for this. I think I may replace them with another system. If you use netting or soft cloth, the leecloth "gives" slightly under your weight, if conditions are at all bouncy. Whilst this might seem nice and comfortable, it makes it harder to get to sleep, because your unconscious mind is telling you that you are unsafe and the thing you are sleeping on might collapse at any minute. It is best to have a system whereby the leecloth can easily be separated from the bunk, taken home and washed. (I.e., lace the lower edge, don't screw it to a batten. ) The lower edge of the leecloth should go all the way under the mattress, to the outboard side of the berth. It's easy to use a snap hook, etc. on the line(s) holding the upper edges of the leecloth, but you need to pull the eye over the end of the hook. A Rolls-Royce solution would use a spinnaker snap hook... Anyone got any better ideas?  

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Re: Thoughts on Lee cloths - another approach, and further reflections well, not exactly a leecloth: in my former (racing) boat we had most berths hinged to the outboard side, with a couple of blocks on the inboard side to modify the angle of the berth the advantage was one pulled the blocks and the berth became V shaped and the body could not move at all, hence nice sleep; yet very easy to come out, just releasing the little block rope not a solution for every type of boat of course  

You can use boards. My C&N was designed with saloon seat backs which can be taken off and slotted along the front of the berths to form a sort of wooden lee cloth. It makes the bunk very comfortable, if a little coffin-like! A bit like the posher RN cot berths of the 19th century  

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Hi JohnM, Agree. My Fulmar, as with all this model, has the lee-boards you describe as standard and the berths so formed are about the best I've ever used. Very secure and you can wedge yourself in knowing that your not going anywhere. I've sailed on many boats with the cloth type and always feel insecure - therefore sleep does not come easily - to me anyway. Cheers Jerry  

[ QUOTE ] There are plenty of pulleys and cleats made for dinghies available. [/ QUOTE ] That's it, I remember now. As I was writing the original message I had a picture of a Mirror dinghy kicking strap in my head.  

[ QUOTE ] My Fulmar, as with all this model, has the lee-boards you describe as standard and the berths so formed are about the best I've ever used. Very secure and you can wedge yourself in knowing that your not going anywhere. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Our Fulmar berths were very comfortable. We also had a pair of pipe cots mounted above the saloon berths to give four good sea berths in the saloon. One point about lee boards though. It's very easy to damage them if you put too much weight on the edge (as when getting in or out), and they are difficult to put in place once you are in the berth. Make sure that you have a hand-hold of some sort above the berth, so that you can take your weight as you get in or out.  

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Ships_Cat said: Don't use cloth in my opinion as it is best to have something that allows air circulation and breathing. It can go the full length of the bunk for that reason. One can get a nice white synthetic (eg nylon, polyester) "netting" which is not made of knotted stringy stuff, but rather is soft, knitted and knotless with the holes being roundish, maybe 20-25 mm dia (so not square like a fishing net) - generally called solid netting and looks along these lines http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50071114/Solid_Netting.jpg but with some types having more mesh to hole if that is preferred. Also, has the advantage that you can roll against it and it supports you like cloth does ie doesn't leave red marks as if you had been hit in the face with a tennis racket as knotted netting does. I don't know who would stock it in the UK but should be widely available from any place warehousing industrial fabrics and netting. If there is a bulkhead or other structure at each end of the bunk then if the netting lee cloth is made up with a hem all around it of polyester fabric eg sailcloth, then on the two upper corners white polyester tape can be sewn on with a loop sewn into it and two solid hooks mounted on the bulkhead (usually have to have those made). The top of the lee cloth is made up to length so that if you hook one end up the other can be stretched out tight and hooked over the other hook - if that makes sense. Should be enough give to get the 1/2 cm or so stretch to do so. Alternatively you can go with ropes, pulleys, cleats, lanyards or whatever complication suits you. The bottom of the cloth can be under a batten screwed along the flat surface of the horizontal front edge of the bunk surface under the cushion. John Click to expand...

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Lewis Lutpon was the first Bosun in the fifth spin-off in the Below Deck franchise, Below Deck Adventure . As the leader of the exterior team, he was a very considerate Bosun who got along well with most of the crew. However, fans critiqued Lewis’ performance as Bosun due to his reluctance to assert his superiority over his crew. Deckhands Kyle Dickard and Nathan Morley clashed during Below Deck Adventure season 1. Kyle was short-tempered and treated the crew badly. Instead of standing up for Nathan, Lewis maintained his neutrality and didn’t pick sides between the deckhands.

Their conflict peaked after a few days in the charter season when Nathan asked his fellow deckhand to flush their shared toilet after he used the restroom. Instead of agreeing, Kyle threatened his bunkmate. Nathan took the issue to Captain Kerry Titheradge instead of Lewis because he knew he’d do nothing about the situation, and Kyle was allowed to resign from the season. The Bosun needs to prove he’s a good leader and assert more dominance with his crew of deckhands, and Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5 would be the perfect opportunity to show his growth.

Below Deck Mediterranean Seasons 3 & 4, Below Deck Down Under Season 2

João Franco was unbearable to watch during Below Deck Mediterranean seasons 3 and 4. When drinking, he turned into his alter-ego, “ Jezabob .” He acted out when drunk, specifically targeting the women in his crew. Fortunately for the Bosun, he turned his behavior around in Below Deck Down Under season 2. João became a fan-favorite crew member during his appearance on the Australian-based spin-off. Instead of retaliating and defending himself, he learned from his behavior and became a better Bosun . João should step in for Gary in Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5 to further exemplify his growth.

Storm Smith

Below deck med season 7.

Below Deck Med season 7 was a disappointment, but Storm Smith was a rare highlight of the season. He replaced Raygan Tyler as Bosun after she unperformed in the role. Storm was the perfect substitute for Raygan, and he could do the same for Gary in Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5. The Bosun was a fair and reliable crew member who was involved in entertaining drama in his boatmance with Natalya Scudder.

Nonetheless, he stepped up when Captain Sandy needed him to, and he could do that and more in Below Deck Sailing Yacht .

Luka Brunton

Below deck down under season 2 & below deck med season 8.

Luka Brunton proved himself as Captain Sandy’s Bosun in Below Deck Med season 8. He joined the franchise in Below Deck Down Under season 2, working as a lead deckhand. Luka was promoted when he joined the cast of Below Deck Med season 8 and made a great Bosun. He got along well with Captain Sandy and the rest of his crew. Luka was involved in drama with his boatmances but is in a relationship now. He’d be a justifiable substitution for Gary because he’d be focused on excelling as First Officer instead of worrying about boatmances .

Malia White

Below deck mediterranean seasons 2, 5, & 6.

Malia White could certainly replace Gary in Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5. She joined the franchise during Below Deck Med season 2 as a deckhand and made history in Below Deck Med season 5 as the first female Bosun. Unfortunately, Malia’s accomplishments in her professional career are overlooked by her hand in Hannah Ferrier’s infamous firing . She told Captain Sandy the Chief Stew had a vape pen and illegal Valium onboard. Hannah was fired immediately, and Malia is often blamed for her termination. Despite the controversy, she returned in Below Deck Med season 6 in her role as Bosun.

Malia isn’t shy about conflict, though Gary is a much more contentious casting decision. The Below Deck audience has been eagerly awaiting Malia’s return to the franchise . Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5 may be the perfect opportunity for her redemption arc. She would serve the Parsifal III crew well and would likely get along with Captain Glenn. Malia is one of the best crew members suited for Gary’s role as First Officer in Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5.

If Gary is fired from Below Deck Sailing Yacht season 5, there are plenty of yachties from the Below Deck universe that could take his place. Production and filming were allegedly underway when the disturbing allegations against the First Officer were revealed. Instead of allowing him to continue filming, the Below Deck production team should fire Gary and have any of these Below Deck alums replace him on the sailing show.

Below Deck Sailing Yacht seasons 1-4 are available to stream on Peacock.

Below Deck Sailing Yacht

Cast Daisy Kelliher, Colin Macrae, Gary King, Glenn Shephard

Release Date February 3, 2020

Genres Reality-TV

Network Bravo

Franchise(s) Below Deck

8 Alums Who Could Replace Gary King On Below Deck Sailing Yacht Season 5

Wade Wilson sentencing delayed until next month after both defense experts unavailable

Lee circuit judge nicholas thompson heard an array of motions before he approved the sentencing delay..

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A Fort Myers man  convicted of brutally murdering two Cape Coral women  in 2019 will have to wait another month to learn his fate on whether he receives the capital punishment after his counsel was faced with scheduling complications.

Lee Circuit Judge Nicholas Thompson on Friday ruled that the sentencing for Wade Wilson, 30, be reset to Aug. 27.

The hearing lasted exactly 90 minutes. During that time, Thompson heard arguments from defense attorneys Lee Hollander and Kevin Shirley, as well as Assistant State Attorneys Sara Miller and Andreas Gardiner.

Friday also included a break that lasted about 20 minutes, allowing Thompson to reflect on whether he would postpone the sentencing in the capital murder case.

Five jail deputies stood around Wilson during the hearing.

MRI, CT scan could 'shoot us in the foot' or not

A  jury recommended  on June 25 in 9-3 and 10-2 votes for each of the victims that Wilson receive the  death penalty . The same jury convicted him June 12 of the slayings of  Kristine Melton , 35, and  Diane Ruiz , 43, and other charges linked to the crimes.

Shirley argued experts cannot bring testing machinery into the Lee County Jail, which would require transporting Wilson to get an MRI and a CT scan done.

The defense has previously argued Wilson suffered several head injuries during his childhood and teenage years when he played different sports.

"Their opinion could shoot us in the foot, could be helpful, I don’t know," Shirley said of the delay before Thompson ruled on the motion.

The only item experts do not have is the trial transcripts, Shirley said. He added that experts did not share how long their work would take or their availability.

Thompson later reached out to both doctors' offices. He spoke with one of them, while the other was at a Palm Beach County murder trial.

"I don’t know what happened in this case," Shirley said. "A lot of people dropped the ball."

State prosecutors argued the testing was not a requirement or would impact Wilson's sentence.

"I don't think it's a requirement under law for every defendant to go through that testing under that expense," Miller said.

Miller alluded to how Wilson refused testing from another expert leading to the penalty phase of his trial.

"We could be here until the end of time calling different experts," Miller said.

Thompson initially reserved ruling on the motion while he heard other pending motions in the case and arrived at his conclusion.

Motions for acquittal, clothing heard

Wilson's counsel filed two separate motions. One sought a new trial, citing constitutional rights violations, while the other hoped Wilson would be allowed to wear regular clothing at his sentencing, opposed to his orange Lee County Jail uniform.

"There's absolutely no reason for Mr. Wilson to be dressed in anything else than what he’s dressed in today," Gardiner said.

Thompson denied Wilson's request.

Thompson reserved ruling on the motion for acquittal and new trial.

One of the arguments brought by Shirley and Hollander is that there was no evidence Wilson did not have permission to use Melton's car. Among Wilson's charges is grand theft of Melton's car, which he then used to repeatedly run over Ruiz's body.

"Whether he had consent and then killed her is offensive," Gardiner said of the defense's argument that Wilson did not have Melton's permission to drive her car.

Judge calls two doctors before giving delay decision

Once Thompson heard the other motions, he circled back to the motion to delay Wilson's sentencing. He told both sides he needed more information before he ruled on the request.

After a break that lasted approximately 20 minutes, Thompson said he needed to speak with both doctors.

Thompson asked Shirley for their phones numbers, but the defense attorney said he did not have their contact information.

Miller assisted with finding both their numbers. Thompson then dialed each of them and placed them on speaker in open court.

Both experts said they are unavailable Tuesday.

One had a scheduled appointment with an inmate in Miami, while the second expert is in trial in Palm Beach County.

Tomas Rodriguez is a Breaking/Live News Reporter for the Naples Daily News and The News-Press. You can reach Tomas at [email protected] or 772-333-5501. Connect with him on Threads  @tomasfrobeltran , Instagram  @tomasfrobeltran  and Facebook  @tomasrodrigueznews .

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