watkins 25 sailboat

The Watkins 25 is a 24.92ft masthead sloop built in fiberglass by Watkins Yachts since 1985.

The Watkins 25 is a moderate weight sailboat which is slightly under powered. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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After considerable research while shopping for a shallow draft (learner) boat, I have ruled out most of the prefab trailerables (Hunter 260, Catalina 250, etc). The reason that I have ruled these out are the inherent problems with water ballast and swinging mechanisms. I am strongly considering a Watkins 25 with the shallow fixed keel. I like the roominess of the boat. I know that it will not sail well into the wind, but that is a negligible problem for me. Doeas anyone have any other positive or negative input regarding the Watkins 25?  

watkins 25/shallow draft Pray tell! I jus' bought a Watkins 25 this summer, (09). After re-placing the running rigging, & other work I plan on taking it out before end of the month, (October). Naturally I'm curious to see how she behaves...especially with the shalow draft & high freeboard. I can look at her & tell she's not fast. However you never really know until you take her out. Prior to this I understand she was out of the water frim '95 until 2009. The diesel runs well, [it's not the original]. Sails look great. Interior/exterior also. One burner on the stove has never been lit. Seals in the toilet look about gone. Anybody out there got any advice for me on this one...My previous craft for 20 years was a 16 ft. hobie... this is a big step up for me.  

awking, Never sailed a Watkins 25, but back in the day when I had an old beat up O'Day 22 there was a nice newer Watkins 25 in the same yard. I would always talk with the owner about the boat as I thought it was a nice looking boat, well laid out. One day it came back to the yard with the main sheet traveller ripped out, apparently there was some issue with how they were installed, he got out in a blow and crash jibbed the boat ripping the thing out of the deck. Don't remember why it happened, might want to look into how the traveller is bolted down. SoC  

Well thanks for that tibbit of exciting news. One more thing to worry about but don't want to kill the fun in it.  

I know this is an older thread now but there are still some Watkins out there! I just picked up an '83 Watkins 25. It has the 4ft draft keel, which ive heard is rare. Sailing upwind is a pain but do-able. Going with the wind I can easily hit 5 knots, not a racer but still fun to sail. As for the traveler, its bolted through to the interior ever 2 inches our so (maybe 15-20 bolts total). There isnt any backing but with that many bolts in a good location it must have been a very strong gust and jibe to pull it out. She does have a high freeboard and will dance like crazy at anchor if its windy.  

I had a 1984 Watkins 25 that I bought new in 84 and sailed in Tennessee. Sold the boat in 93 to a guy in Knoxville. Saw the boat in 2003 with a another owner at Blue Springs Marina near Kingston TN. Does anyone know who may own the boat now. It had the name "IMPULSE" on the stern.  

Do you still have the Watkins 25 with the 4 foot keel? I have a shallow draft Watkins 25 and am looking for a deeper keel model. Let me know if you ever want to sell it.  

I'm thinking about selling mine, I have the forefoot draft. Evidently there was only four or five made, a special order. My boat is a super sailor, really stiff in the wind. But I would like to get a bigger boat for the family  

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Review of Com-Pac 25

Basic specs..

The Com-Pac 25 is equipped with a long keel. A long keel provide a better directional stability than a similar boat with a fin keel; on the other hand, better directional stability means also that the boat is more difficult to handle in a harbour with less space.

The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 0.76 - 0.86 meter (2.49 - 2.79 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Com-Pac 25 is 2.02, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 6.1 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Com-Pac 25 is about 111 kg/cm, alternatively 621 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 111 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 621 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

What is a Ballast Ratio?

What is Displacement Length Ratio?

SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio) Indicates how fast the boat is in light wind: - Cruising Boats have ratios 10-15 - Cruiser-Racers have ratios 16-20 - Racers have ratios above 20 - High-Performance Racers have ratios above 24 Sail-area/displacement ratio (SA/D ratio): 14.90

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When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 11m 2 (118 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.

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WATKINS 25 Detailed Review

If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of WATKINS 25. Built by Watkins Yachts and designed by undefined, the boat was first built in 1985. It has a hull type of Fin w/spade rudder and LOA is 7.6. Its sail area/displacement ratio 14.77. Its auxiliary power tank, manufactured by undefined, runs on undefined.

WATKINS 25 has retained its value as a result of superior building, a solid reputation, and a devoted owner base. Read on to find out more about WATKINS 25 and decide if it is a fit for your boating needs.

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WATKINS 25 is built by Watkins Yachts.

When was WATKINS 25 first built?

WATKINS 25 was first built in 1985.

How long is WATKINS 25?

WATKINS 25 is 6.4 m in length.

What is mast height on WATKINS 25?

WATKINS 25 has a mast height of 7.39 m.

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Seaward 24 vs Watkins 25

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A few weeks ago I posted asking opinions on the O'Day 25 and overwhelmingly got the advice to look for a better boat. Today, I looked at a real nice Watkins 25 shoal draft with Yanmar diesel and a really nice Seaward 24 with an outboard. I like them both. My wife is partial to the Seaward. Overall, they are both in great shape, but the Seaward is nicer and a little more expensive. Seaward Pros Easier to trailer Easier to step mast Mechanically simpler (outboard, hank on headsail) New running and standing rigging Seaward Cons Center board stuck up Smaller, less storage, much simpler gally Watkins Pros Yanmar diesel Slightly larger, more room, slightly better gally Watkins Cons Not as easy to trailer (heavier and hull shape) Heavier mast, roller furling, harder to trailer Mechanically more complex (inboard, roller furling) Oily bilge I made an offer on the Seaward, contingent on an inspection of the centerboard. The owner countered with sale as is, no contingencies. He said it sails perfectly fine with it up and it might just be barnicals. He suggested having a diver examine it and I asked for help arranging one. Did I mention the boats are both 3 hours away. The diesel, although I put it in the positive colum, I'm a little concerned. It started right up and I arrived at the boat before the owner did, so I know he didn't warm it up. When the boat was opened up, it smelled like diesel inside, and the bilge had a lot of oil floating in it. I will need to purchase a trailer for either and finding one for the Seaward will be a lot easier, maybe. I've been told it has a flat bottom. I'm looking at an aluminum dual axel powerboat trailer and raising the bunks. I'd really appreciate a few opinions. I'm sure I've not considered everything.  

Stu Jackson

Don't get a powerboat trailer, most have axles rearward, most sailboat trailers have axles centered under the boat.  

jamieFL said: I will need to purchase a trailer for either and finding one for the Seaward will be a lot easier, maybe. I've been told it has a flat bottom. I'm looking at an aluminum dual axel powerboat trailer and raising the bunks. Click to expand

@Stu Jackson , I didn't know what a stuffing box was until you mentioned it. I've had i/o's and stern drives, but never an inboard. There is a long removable pannel in the port quarter birth and also access through the starboard lazarette. I read up on it and will have to ask, and will have to be one of the things inspected. He said that he had the engine serviced once a year. The Watkins has the 8hp single cylinder Yanmar. It started right up and ran at idle for about half hour while I looked the boat over. I examined it through the hatch under the companionway and the quarter birth and it didn't look corroded like I've seen on other boats. The engine is my main concern on this boat. The bilge was fairly oily and I'm not familiar with inboards because I've never had one.  

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I've followed you path to ownership from the 25. I would not say an O'day 25 ia a bad first boat justthe o es you seemed to focus on were especially since they needed trailers which seems to be your big requirement. I'd say you know the diesal is not good based on condition and issues. I'd also pass on the other as if the owner has no trailer and says the centerboard doesn't matter I can say that wasn't true on my O'day 25. I want a functional well cared for boat. This just came up, pretty good deal and I think you will have no work. https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/boa/d/catalina-22-sailboat-new/6737836379.html  

The boat will not point very well with the center board up, that's the point of it. I would say to keep looking as the more you look, the more you learn. Having to retro-fit a trailer is probably going to be a pain. Yes, all boats can be fixed but there is the question..... Do you want to sail or do you want to work on a boat? And yes, all boats eventually need stuff done but, the less the better as the point is to go sailing.  

Thanks for all the advice on trailers. I'm aware that it will need to be modified. I've found a few aluminum and galvanized trailers in the 1500 to 2000 range. I'm looking for one with working brakes. I've not found any sailboat trailers that weren't ready to fall apart. If anyone knows a trailer manufacturer in Florida that I can get a quote for a new trailer, let me know... But I expect the price will start at 4500.  

I have a friend at work having a trailer made in Maryland and it is will into the $4500+ for an AMC 22' boat. I saw this one listed, looks interesting: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/seaward-24-cruiser-3473015/ I looked at the boat in the link below and it is very nice and the owner is a true sailor with knowledge and skills that show in the work and maintenance on this boat. In addition it is freshwater boat, trailer is perfect and over 6" of head room and a very nice diesel motor. My only issue is the main is original, looks ok, but I'd buy a new one to match the newish Jib. I decided to pass on it as I figured out what we really want next and s nice as this is it isn't really the direction in sailing I've determined to go with our family. This boat would be ready to trailer back to FL and needs nothing to enjoy it right now. https://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/d/oday-272-le-sailboat-with/6703491136.html  

Crazy Dave Condon

Look at Road king sailboat trailers. Although there is a Florida plant, contact Phyllis or Larry at the Asheville NC plant who could better answer your questions. I think Ron Frisosky had measured for that boat When looking at usd boats look at the motor compartment. If kept clean well, that generally is a good sign how a boat was maintained  

Crazy Dave Condon said: Look at Road king sailboat trailers. Although there is a Florida plant, contact Phyllis or Larry at the Asheville NC plant who could better answer your questions. I think Ron Frisosky had measured for that boat When looking at usd boats look at the motor compartment. If kept clean well, that generally is a good sign how a boat was maintained Click to expand

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In my opinion, Seawards are quality boats, and Watkins’ basically are not by comparison. Watkins are clumsy looking, slow, and not that good a sailor. Seawards are speciality designs for trailering and use in shoal waters, hence the flat bottom and narrower beam.  

I made an offer on the Seaward, contingent on the owner getting the centerboard down, since he kept implying that it was probably only barnacles. He accepted my price, but said he would only sell the boat as is, so we parted ways. I contacted the owner of the Watkins and we talked for a long time. We talked about his maitenance schedule and I am confident the engine has been maintained. The sails are brand new and the running and standing rigging are both in great shape. The deck is solid. Gel coat is in good shape. There are water marks inside the boat by the port and starboard chain plates, but it looks old, and when I inspected the deck around the chain plates, it was already sealed up. The mast and all deck hardware were in great shape and solidly mounted. The engine and engine compartment were mostly clean. It showed its age. The motor mounts and bolts were good. The engine ran good at idle the other day and I know it was a cold start. My only concern is the oily bilge. We negotiated a price, which was much less than the offer on the Seaward. The offer is contingent on an inspection and demo sail. I can also sublet his boat slip for a reasonable fee until I find a trailer. I'd appreciate advice on my inspection. My weak knowledge is the diesel inboard since I've never had one. I'd also appreciate trailer advice if you have experience having one built, or modified. Jamie  

I’d probably have kept working with the Seaward owner until making a deal. Good luck on your purchase!!  

Kings Gambit said: I’d probably have kept working with the Seaward owner until making a deal. Good luck on your purchase!! Click to expand

jamieFL said: The Watson's diesel may have an oil leak, it may not... but the owner is willing to let me inspect it. What would you do? Click to expand

Since you said it smelled like diesel, I'd look for a diesel leak first. A common place for leaks would be the banjo fittings on the fuel lines. It's a shaky little engine and mine have shaked themselves loose before. If it's an oil leak, one common problem, especially on a salt water boat, is the water pump developing a slight leak. The saltwater drips on the oil lines directly below, causing them to corrode and eventually leak. The water pump can usually be rebuilt, and the oil lines replaced but they aren't cheap. The single cylinder yanmar is a pretty dependable little engine.  

Do a very thorough check of the diesel tank for leaks. That includes the fill hose and the injector return line. Could be were the smell is coming from.  

I'd recommend looking up the Watkins group on yahoogroups. John has all the specs and history on his separate Watkins page. Manufacturers aside, on one hand you have..... A 24' boat with (just about) unknown everything and an owner that is unwilling to bend at all VS A 25' boat with solid decks, New sails, decent diesel and an owner willing to work with you? No contest! Granted, my bias might be showing; but despite my 27 being a project boat( aren't they all?), I sail when I want to with no worries. They were built and marketed as coastal/ICW cruisers, not racing hulls. Depends on what you want to do with it Regards, Paul  

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1987 Watkins Seawolf 25

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For sale, a beautiful and well maintained 1987 Watkins 25 Sailboat. The boat is in really good condition and ready to sail. It is stored at Morning Star Performance Marine in Burnham IL. (14002 S Croissant Dr, Burnham, IL 60633). I am selling due to job relocation.

Equipment: >9.9 4 stroke Mercury Outboard Motor (no license needed to navigate) >1 Battened Mainsail >1 Jib (95%) >Raymarine ST1000 Auto Steering >Cradle >2 Handheld VHF Radios >Dinghy >Mooring accessories >Safety Equipment >Original and custom tiller >2 Boat Hooks >Rail Mounted Propane Grill >4 Fenders >1 Winch Handle >4 Life Vest >2 Burners Alcohol Stove (Galley) >Galley and V Birth Cushions >Porta Potty more

2021 Projects: >Teak Recondition >New Bilge Pump >New Bilge Floater >New Fresh Water Pump >New Solar Panel >New House and Starter Batteries >New Blue Underwater LED >New Outdoor (2) and Indoor (2) Waterproof Speakers >New Bluetooth Marine Stereo Receiver >New Installed LED Light Strip inside the Galley >New Galley Cushion and Covers >2 Blue VC 17 Paint Coats More

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

The hull of the WATKINS 25 is alledged to have derived from the COLUMBIA 24 (with major modifications) including a completely different deck and coachroof. The WATKINS 25 later became the COM-PAC 25.

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1984 Watkins 25

Port St Lucie, Florida

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1984 Watkins 25, 1984 Watkins 25 with Yanmar diesel engine and 1997 galvanized tandem axle trailer. Pressure water system with sinks in galley and head. Shower. 30" draft fixed keel ( no swing keel problems). 5'11" headroom ( no pop top). Ready to cruise today. Was last out on 5 day trip in May 2016, NOT a project. Engine has NEW cylinder head, water pump, stainless steel mixing elbow, thermostat, filters and oil, RUNS GREAT. Burns a quart of diesel per hour at 6 knots (24 MPG under power!). Delta fast-set and Danforth anchors with chain rode. Solar panels, 2 house batteries and start battery. 4 NEW tires on trailer. Dinghy Davits. 2 sets of sails, never used new halyard. Electric gin pole to raise mast & trailer launch system to use regular boat ramps. I love this boat. Hate to sell, health issues. See Watkinsowners website for a wealth of information on these little known wonderful boats. While this boat could go to the Caribbean today, it does need anti fouling bottom paint. NEW cutlas bearing and packing. I'm sure there's more than I'm not thinking of now. Do NOT call to help me sell, $11,500 or reasonable offer. Cash only, no bs. TEXT 772-267-3303 Thanks, Scott**Not Catalina or Macgregor this is a quality built cruiser**JULY 7 SEARCH: currently 4 of these boats for sale NATIONWIDE counting this one. NONE of the others has a TRAILER or mast raising/ launch system. Yachtworld $8400 NO DIESEL in Georgia, Boattrader $13900 in Mass, NY CL $4900 NO DIESEL in New York $11500

1988 Watkins 25' sailboat

Lindenhurst, New York

Pics and description to come! Boat is gorgeous, near-mint. Presently stored on the hard for the winter - the marina will put it back into the water in May at no charge. Here's the brocure on this beautiful Watkins:

1986 Watkins Sealwolf 25' Sailboat shoal draft - storage paid through 5/2016

1986 Watkins Seawolf, Shoal Draft 2.5', sloop rigged, tiller steering, original mainsail, original 150% Genoa (w/ Harken Roller furler). Sails were professionally cleaned and refurbished in 2013, in very good condition. New jib sheet and main halyard, 1996.9.9 hp 2 stroke 25" shaft Evinrude O/B (high thrust prop), retractable engine mount, new 7 gal EPA-compliant gas tank, new cockpit seat cushions. Galley (pressurized alcohol burners removed, using sterno or non-pressurized alcohol) , stainless steel sink, ice box, fold down dinette for 4, Johnson manual compact head w/ 9 gal holding tank, sink and shower. Forward cabin "V" berth, 3 aft berths, sleeps 4 comfortably. VHF marine radio, AM/FM CD stereo w/4 speakers. Located in Lindenhurst, NY, currently on the hard, storage paid through 5/2016 when marina will put it back into the water at no charge. This is a perfect first sailboat, easy to single hand. Must see, it's a tough boat.

1987 Hunter 29 Sloop

Sarasota, Florida

1987 Hunter 29 Sloop,This 1987 Hunter is is ready to sail. It has a length of 28'6" and beam of 10', with a draft of 5'. The Yanmar 2GM20 18hp diesel starts and runs smooth. The sails are in good shape as well as the rigging. The cabin is clean and in great shape. There is a small galley in the main cabin with sink, 2 burner alcohol stove, and small microwave. all the cushions are in good shape as well. We can send more pictures and send the vessel survey to you. also a 25' Watkins in good shape $6500. $13000, 9413740102

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Donate your boat to Saint Jude Helping Hand Foundation a 501c3 public charity that feed and cloth the needy. You can get market value from your boat as a tax deduction under (section 170 of the IRS code) to: Saint Jude Helping Hand Foundation. Call 813 684-3517 for pick-up (Go to u tube under homeless in Tampa to see what we do to help the needy) We have boats for sale INTERNAL REVENUR no. (26-3755862) BOATS FOR SALE (1976 24' sailboat with trailer $3500.00 ) SOLD (1962 Sears 12' Fishing boat) SOLD (1974 StarCraft 16' Fishing boat) SOLD (1978 WATKINS 27 FT SAILBOAT) SOLD (1979 Sea ray ) SOLD (1967 24' morgan sailboat ) SOLD (1987 17' Cobia boat 125hp motor & trailer ) SOLD ((1983 25' Freedom sailboat in water ) SOLD (10' small boat ) SOLD ( 14' fishing boat , 20hp yellow ) SOLD( 17' 1981 ebbtide and trailer no motor as is)

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